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briansmith opened this issue
Mar 8, 2025
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A-atomicArea: Atomics, barriers, and sync primitivesA-docsArea: Documentation for any part of the project, including the compiler, standard library, and toolsE-mediumCall for participation: Medium difficulty. Experience needed to fix: Intermediate.T-opsemRelevant to the opsem team
[...] Any use of the returned raw pointer requires an unsafe block and still has to uphold the same restriction: operations on it must be atomic.
Summary
PR #136669 and PR #138000 make it clear that we should be able to safely do a non-atomic read of an atomic in certain circumstances. The most natural way to do the non-atomic read is to use as_ptr() and then do a read through the pointer.
However, the documentation for as_ptr() disallow any non-atomic operation on the pointer it returns, at odds with the aforementioned PRs. I believe the statement "operations on it must be atomic" should be replaced with a reference to the documentation in https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/atomic/index.html#memory-model-for-atomic-accesses.
(NIT: I don't think "Any use of the returned raw pointer requires an unsafe block" is correct or particularly useful. That seems to be justifying the addition of the function, not helping people use it. Presumably pointer comparison or other operations can be done that don't require an unsafe block.)
Yeah good point, the wording should be updated to reflect that non-atomic accesses are UB if they cause a data race -- the point is to clarify that this method does not somehow grant an exception to that rule.
If someone makes a PR for this, please tag me and I'll take a look. :)
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Atomic*::as_ptr unnecessarily restrictions operations on the pointer to atomic operations
Atomic*::as_ptr unnecessarily restricts operations on the pointer to atomic operations
Mar 10, 2025
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Apr 9, 2025
A-atomicArea: Atomics, barriers, and sync primitivesA-docsArea: Documentation for any part of the project, including the compiler, standard library, and toolsE-mediumCall for participation: Medium difficulty. Experience needed to fix: Intermediate.T-opsemRelevant to the opsem team
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https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/atomic/struct.AtomicUsize.html#method.as_ptr
Summary
PR #136669 and PR #138000 make it clear that we should be able to safely do a non-atomic read of an atomic in certain circumstances. The most natural way to do the non-atomic read is to use
as_ptr()
and then do a read through the pointer.However, the documentation for
as_ptr()
disallow any non-atomic operation on the pointer it returns, at odds with the aforementioned PRs. I believe the statement "operations on it must be atomic" should be replaced with a reference to the documentation in https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/atomic/index.html#memory-model-for-atomic-accesses.(NIT: I don't think "Any use of the returned raw pointer requires an unsafe block" is correct or particularly useful. That seems to be justifying the addition of the function, not helping people use it. Presumably pointer comparison or other operations can be done that don't require an
unsafe
block.)/cc @RalfJung
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